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Religious vrs Spiritual stamp by mindsend Religious vrs Spiritual stamp by mindsend
Religions are different ways of being spirtual, believing one way over another does NOT make someone wrong. If someone doesn't believe in your religion or in any greater being, don't fight about it or try to convert them. It just causes hate and anger and hurts you more.


Anyways, this is just my personal feelings... And I was talked into making a stamp about it. XD


Disclaimer: This is not to promote intolerance of any kind, shape or form towards those who feel themselves "religious". This is My own personal opinion and was created because I'm tired of all those "I'm _____ and proud" stamps causing fights. Any Offensive remarks aimed at ANYONE will be reported. This is also not a place for discussions about your religon -- its a stamp, not a forum. If you have a problem with this stamp or my beliefs, just ignore it. You don't have to fave or comment. Its JUST A STAMP. If you aren't spiritual or religious... What are you doing here?
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darknessthehedgehog3 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
religion following a 100000000000 year old man made rule book and living in fear of possibly burning in a lake of fire after you die

spirituality not so much but you mostly set your own rules and path
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PleasantlyEscaping Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014
AGREED. As a Gnostic, I'm more wisdom/spiritual knowledge-based than other religions. I consider myself more "spiritual" than "religious" because of this, and I personally think that spirituality is healthier for the soul than organized religion, but as with everything, this can vary with every person. (:
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AntlerQueen Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Also not being religious or spiritual is okay too :)
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mindsend Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
*nod* Indeed. Being religious, spiritual, or neither is fine, though some have a hard time finding a definition between the first two.
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AntlerQueen Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
What do you mean by "finding a definition"?
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mindsend Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
I mean it in the second meaning of the definition of Definition: A sharp contrast separating objects.
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AntlerQueen Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, right. I thought you were talking about spirituality and secularism heh. That's true, there is a difference.
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2013
Amen to that.
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Crysenley Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't usually favorite stamps, but I really enjoyed reading the different view points and opinions. Surprisingly all rather civilized (at least on the first page), on a RELIGIOUS post of all things. :) Hard to find that.

I remember my mom once had an entire conversation on this subject, speaking about a pastor that was on one of those Christian news channels or something.
Like her, I consider myself more spiritual than religious. (Of course, as mentioned the definition of "religious" is changing towards more of a negative thing now...)
I don't really go to  church anymore, but I do enjoy it whenever I do. I don't read the bible often either, but when I do I find it's at the right time. I'm content with my relationship with God, but I know that I still have a lot to learn and practice to better it with Him.
In the end of the day, the church is just a building. It's a great place to worship with others and learn from them and teach them, but it is not everything. Just because you don't go to church doesn't mean a thing. Heck, Jesus just had sandals and some clothes on His back, yet He impacted the world with His word. The real church is within us, the people.
As for the bible, it is a very good thing to read, but once again as mentioned there is a difference between someone who worships God and someone who worships the bible. While, true the bible is His word, it is FULL of metaphors and vague messages. To truly understand it, you'll need to better your relationship with Him, and listen to what it is He's trying to teach you. If you just read the bible without His guidance, then you're more likely to misinterpret the lessons and truths, and even overlook some very vital stuff! (Like those people who take the terrible things some people said in the Old Testament as His word. :x)
One message that is always overlooked is Jesus' message. Nothing specific, but from His life he showed nothing but love. Many people of every belief forget to just love. And especially as CHRISTians, we need to practice and show everyone love and tolerance, no matter their beliefs and views!

I don't know... That's just my two cents. Sorry for the long post and such. ^^;

(I've been having many spiritual frustrations at school for the past couple months with some other Christians who read the bible everyday and go to church.)
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derJOgelle Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013   General Artist
I'm a RESPECTFUL atheist.

I hate what most Religions have come to because of fanatic leaders or other problems.

I consider myself a spiritual person.

That doesn't mean I believ in EVERYTHING, just SOMETHING!


Religious nutters need to learn that it helps noone to force your believe on others
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offensive, disrespectful atheists or agnostics need to get over the fact that some believe stupid things.
If that helps them - why the F*#% take it from them?

As far as the message of this stamp and its description goes, I'm totally with you!

Thnx for showing that not everyone (no matter what believes) is a nutter!

Hope. Uplifting. Thnx!

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BaneEden Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Student General Artist
I agree 100%
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TheBeatlesjpgr Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THIS.
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SweetOctopiewriter Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I just love how some of religious fanatics go on YouTube pages of meditation and tell us that we're being tricked by Satan. Like yes. Yes we are. We support peace for Satan.
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darknessthehedgehog3 Featured By Owner May 20, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
and don't forget wicca and pagan videos 
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SweetOctopiewriter Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Those are always fun. Let's all tell people their religion is worthless! That's a good waste of our time!
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darknessthehedgehog3 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
lol true and truth be told the god of the bible sounds more like kiss my ass and worship me or I'll send you to hell if you don't believe in me and if that doesn't sound more evil enough then I don't know what is.To tell the truth pagans and wiccans act more Christian then a lot of the christens out there
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SweetOctopiewriter Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I don't know about grouping the majority into that assumption, but there are wiccans and pagans that are a lot nicer and kind-hearted than people that do proclaim themselves as Christians- I just don't know the statistics behind it. 

I went to a Catholic grade school, but never read the bible in its entirety, but from I gather from it, it's like a collection of short stories (at least to me). However, the whole "you'll go to hell if you don't worship me" is some mentality bible-bangers put in our heads in order to, I think, scare people into religion. It's like the toned down version of "follow Christ or we'll kill you" (like what westerners did to Native Americans *cough*). I've been on the other end of the spectrum where they were like "you don't have to worship god, he loves everyone regardless because his love is conditional (although imo I don't think "god" or whatever has a gender)" and I've met the "what you are is a sin (usually referring to homosexuality) but god still loves you (which is kinda weird for me because it's like they're saying "I don't approve of what you are, but god does" and you're like "okay...")

Fortunately, I've only encountered the crazy, homophobic, racist, hillbilly Christians from WBC on the media. But atheists that think they're smarter and better than everyone is another hilarious concept (it's even better when they claim that they're oppressed). Ostentatious pricks.
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mindsend Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
Right. And then Fanatical atheists or even (on much-rarer occasions) fanatical religion-less spirituals go around attacking musicians and artists and so on just because they happen to be open about what religion they are when interviewed, ALONG with the fanatical individuals who are of a DIFFERENT religion. Fanatics in general tend to be incredibly and annoyingly rabid about their beliefs, and forceful about it. Ugh.


One can be religious without being spiritual, one can be spiritual without being religious, one can be both, one can be neither. We're all allowed to do what feels right to us, but we should just keep it out of other people's business. It's okay to believe, it's okay not to believe, it's okay to just play it by ear and do what seems the most right and 'good' or adapt as you learn new things, but no one should be forced to agree with you since it's okay for them to think otherwise.
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SweetOctopiewriter Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yes, exactly! Ugh, I hate how both sides attack the other- one says, "jesus christ is your lord and savior, turn away from Satan!" and the other says, "what are you guys stupid? There is no god!"

And it's stupid how one's intelligence is based on what their beliefs are.
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mindsend Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
Oddly enough, I tend to prefer the religious ones: Its a lot less annoying having someone insist I'm going to a hell I don't believe in, being a spiritual person who doesn't believe in a set heaven and hell even if I do believe in life after death, then have someone venomously insist I'm an idiot because "science" when I likely know a LOT more science than they do.

It seems that agnostics are the only ones I've encountered who haven't been fanatical about it however since the whole thing about being agnostic is the whole "I don't know if there is or if there isn't."
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SweetOctopiewriter Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Spirituality is about the practice and inner peace- you can a paganist, believe in one god, a different god, or none. But according to religious fanatics, all spiritual people don't believe in a God, (which of course isn't true as I said earlier).

Personally, I believe in a Jesus even though it may be different than how they see him (watch me get shit for that in the future). The next time they reply to how I'm going to hell, I just reply with, "Sorry for the late reply. We were just doing a ritual sacrifice. Since that's what us pagans and spiritual people do."

I haven't seen any spiritual fanatics though :/. At least the ones I've met don't really care what other people think or believe, especially of us. When an atheist or religious fanatic goes on our pages and starts ranting, we just do the "ugh *face palm. mark as spam* thing." I think we just get annoyed for people telling us what to think or what to believe. We're not sheep.
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mindsend Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013
Most of the spiritual ones that I've encountered that are fanatical are fanatical about things other than their spiritual beliefs but rather trying to force their other opinions on you because they feel they're more enlightened then you are even if they are the sort who refuses to acknowledge that dolphin the mammal and dolphin the fish are different things and that the mammal dolphin is actually a fish and tries to force you to agree with them because they are older and 'smarter' than you or try to force conspiracy theories down your throat rather than religion. Trying to force you into situations that are horribly uncomfortable both physically and mentally, you don't want to be in because its 'good for your chi/karma", despite the fact it's just their son being physically abusive toward you and you not taking their bull. They felt they were right BECAUSE they were spiritual and unrestrained by religion, and thus it allowed them to do everything they did since they were superior.

But, like I said before, most of the spiritual people I know that aren't religious aren't like this and it's just EXTREMELY rare to run into.
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SweetOctopiewriter Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ugh, just anyone who thinks they're superior because of their belief -.-

For this "group"/community I'm in, our thing is, "if you don't believe us, why should we try and prove it to you? We aren't doing this for skeptics. If someone does believe us, then yay for us, but we're not going to go out of our way to prove something to you."

If someone said they could read auras and astral travel and one person went, "I don't believe you! Prove it! Show it to us!" we just shrug and say, "why?"
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mindsend Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013
If someone wants proof that astral travel/projection is a thing, just send them to the documentary "Through the Wormhole: Is there a sixth sense" they actually tested astral projection/shared experiences in a controled lab setting and proved it's an actual thing that happens (Which made me feel pretty good since it explains how I somehow wandered into some of my friends dreamscapes while doing what I call a "Dreamhike", going through dreams lucidly but trying to find the answer to a problem) and pretty much proved the ability to predict the future is pretty much at least a little there for all human beings so some people might just be more sensitive to it/more aware of that part of their instincts in a broader medium.
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Nestharon Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2013   Writer
Agree...
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JudasCain Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Quite true, I agree! The way I see it is, the religious are trying to be good via creed and doctrine and basing their actions/beliefs on that whereas the spiritual needs nothing like that to be virtuous, just having a pure down-to-earth goodwill.
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beyondblonde1 Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
I guess I noticed your stamp because I agree there is a difference between what people think religion is and what spirituality is. A thought crossed my mind that spirituality is like Religion Lite. I know that's stupid but the very word "religion" has such a negative connotation nowadays. Anyway, I generally agree with your opinion. Thanks for sharing it.
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mindsend Featured By Owner May 31, 2012
I'll have to say I think you have it a bit backwards, and Spirituality isn't necessarily "Religion Lite", but that's just my own opinion: You might have a support for your reasoning, and just haven't shared it. However to be fair, I'll share my reasons since this is a place of reflection and sharing of ideas in a peaceful and intellectual setting.

Spirituality can be just as deep and devout without a set of rules, and spirituality is more the deep meaning within religion, the core, strength, and goal of each belief system that believes in there being a spirit. So in a way, I think of Religion as more a set of tools, and your Spirituality is the project you're crafting with them. A Religious Vehicle to the desired Spiritual destination. I personally prefer to travel under my own power, investigating and choosing my path as I travel as a journey of growth and self development to make the journey as rich as possible and see the various views and people along the way, and keep all eyes open.


I have no issues with religion -- it's there to help people be spiritual, if done properly at least, as its just various different ways to find a way to be spiritually strong. The problem is when people start fighting over their differences of religion: As long as you worship without infringing on the lives and beliefs of others, there's only goodness and light, but when the arguments start, that's when things corrupt and become rather counterproductive. Which is why so many people have taken a negative stand against it, however they're just another belief that is just as judgmental as the most extremest of the beliefs they fight against.

Thank you for sharing your words and beliefs, and I look forward to hearing your reasoning for Spirituality being Religion lite! It's always fascinating to hear other ideas.
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beyondblonde1 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Okay, Religion Lite is kind of a stupid thing to say. I think within each of us exists a spiritual need. No matter where you go or what tribe you belong to or what color your skin is, I believe each one of us has this need to reach out to Someone or Something that can explain why we exist, do we have a purpose, a future, a hope. If we evolved from animals or muck, then mankind's answers to such questions have failed miserably. We will continue to fail miserably. But you'd think, by now, we would at least have some better idea about how to conduct ourselves and get some pretty solid answers to our deep questions. People search for these answers in harmful ways or less harmful ways. We look to science, technology, nature, ourselves and our own theories to provide answers. I guess spiritual enlightenment in a peaceful way is what I meant by Religion Lite. It would be good just not to hurt each other.
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mindsend Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
*nod* Religion is more of an organized group of similarly minded people. Its when those with violent mindsets take over or condemn others that's a problem: It happens to those without religion as well, so its not as if its restricted to it.

Too many people fight about beliefs, which is a shame since personally I feel that hinders the inner growth and depth. But there are also those who are open minded but have a specific religion they worship. Like Christians who study Taoism or Pagan's that believe Jesus is a swell guy who's teachings should be listened to along with others.
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beyondblonde1 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012
I think we can learn something from anyone, don't you? For example, I find something I can appreciate in any kind of music, even though I generally might not like it. I detest that Screamo stuff yet find myself admiring the sheer ability of someone to screech that long. I wonder what that person would sound like if I could actually understand them and they were singing a ballad or something!
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mindsend Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012
*nod!* One can learn from even something they do not agree with or find almost physically painful to listen to lol!
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shuaster Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Professional General Artist
religon without spirituality is pointless the majority of religons say that going to church won't help you unless you turn their teachings into a internal commitment.
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junbab13 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2011
True statement. I consider myself more spiritual than religious.
The difference between being spiritual and being religious is that being spiritual is getting in touch with yourself or your soul. Being religious is more like following the rules of one's religion. Though through religious you can be spiritual.
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disillusioned6 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
Religion without spirituality is not religion at all, but spirituality without any kind of commitment is just as hollow imo. The thing about following religious rules is you voluntarily give yourself to worship which you believe is true, it requires submission of your own will and ego. I don't believe person can be truly spiritual by navigating on it's own, sporting relativity and ultimately worshiping his own ideas.
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mindsend Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011
Exactly! Some people need religion to find that. Others use the religion as a shield of excuses, or focus on the religion itself and feel no matter how spiritual you are, unless you follow their church's rules and beliefs, you are doomed no matter what, unless you change to agree with them.

:/ To the point where even various versions of the same religion fight amongst each other over who's right and who's wrong. Man's gotten caught up in the rules and the vanity of being able to claim they're closer to divine power then someone else. Or that their religion is the only rules they have to follow, and mans laws have no effect on them because they are above it.

Religion can be a beautiful thing, if it brings spirituality. But too many people corrupt it into something ugly. :( I have no problem with religion, but it's too vain to think anyone on earth, or even in the universe, knows 'more' then anyone else.
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wolf1boi Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Funny,
Because it's true,
Worshipping & praising God is different from worshipping & praising the bible
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mindsend Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2011
Exactly. *nod* I'm not Saying people who have a religion are necessarily wrong, but, to me, Religion is the middle man, if you need it to feel you're doing it right, it's right for you.

I just personally don't need it to feel close.
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wolf1boi Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, which is why I chose to drop religion,
I do believe in God,
but I don't want to have a book telling me how to live,..
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Supertacularific Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2010  Student Writer
You don't know how many times I have conversations like this with my best friend at our lunch table. xD She's agnostic-but-more-of-an-atheist, and I am just...well, I believe what I want to believe. I might even try some buddhism this week!

Religious fighting reminds me of "Life of Pi", really. I love the scene where Pi is confronted by the religious officials of the church, mosque and temple and tell him he can't be in all three. They start fighting with each other until he says "Why can't I just worship God?"

I love spirituality- I don't want to be labeled as one thing and forced to live a restricted life bound by rules. Why does what I believe have to be one set thing?

Ok, sorry for the ramble. Nice stamp!
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mindsend Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2010
:D You're welcome!

And yeah. :/ I believe in believing what I believing in, and letting OTHERS believe what they want to believe, as long as they aren't pushing it onto others and fighting over it or treating others as inferior. I believe in believing, and allowing others to not believe.

:D In the end its just "Be good to each other, but stay out of others personal business, too. What goes on between them and their supreme being, if there is anything going on between them and one, only really matters to them."
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fayedove Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2010  Student General Artist
Awesome stamp. I'm Christian but I do appreciate the spirituality I witness from other religions, especially in the music
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aphfanmadefangirl Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2010
I agree.
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Kotego Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Hobbyist
I agree ^.^
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FullmetalKobe824 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2010
Being spiritual is what Jesus wanted us to do, not being religious which is what the Pharisees did.
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Nifty-D Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Very true! I am quite spiritual and everyone concludes that I don`t believe in god or something...weeell, in a sense, yeah, I don`t believe in the big white bearded man in the sky lol!
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Thorn-Zenithar Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2010   Digital Artist
i couldn't agree more!! i myself am not religious, but slightly spiritual! anyway, thnx for taking the time to make this! :D
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nekocherr Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2009
Amen to that :heart:
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lucylupe910 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2009
I'm both :meow:
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mindsend Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2009
83 And you recognize that its possible to be one without being the other? Cause that's mainly all this is about. <3
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